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DW: What is the pineal gland?
CG: In the MILAB program, we got injections and sonic treatments focused between my eyes – the location of the pineal gland. They used an metal instrument pointed at our pineal gland and send sonic waves to that location.
They said it was to enhance our intuitive part of our IEabilities.
DW: Could you feel a sonic vibration in your skull?
CG: Yeah, yeah. You felt the sonic waves going in about a good 6 inches into your head. It was obviously an attempt to stimulate our pineal gland.
DW: In the scholarship that I’ve put out in Source Field, there’s a whole chapter on the pineal gland. We know it is in the geometric center of the brain. We know it is the size of a pea. It has more blood flow going through it than any other part of the body except the kidneys. And mainstream science says, ‘Oh, we don’t really know what this is.’
There are cells inside the pineal gland that are the same cells more or less as in the retina of the eye.
CG: Rods and cones?
DW: They’re called pinealocytes, but they are the same thing. And they are also wired into the visual cortex of the brain by the same type of wiring we have from our eyes. So the ancient traditions literally call it a ‘Third Eye’.
Pine cones and such iconography show up in all kinds of the world’s religions.
Do you think that there are things inside the pineal gland that these rods and cones are seeing?
CG: They said that it was to help stimulate the ‘second sight’ and the intuitive abilities. They stated that they knew that there are ancient earth breakaway groups that they’ve gotten their hands on who have very large pineal glands. They said that once all of our pineal glands used to be quite a bit larger than they are now.
They were trying to stimulate growth and activity in our pineal glands.
DW: That’s very interesting because the insider, Jacob, told me me that the Draco tried to engineer modern humans so that we would not have a pineal gland at all. And they got very mad because the benevolent ETs came in and reinstalled it.
Have you ever heard anything like that?
CG: No. I actually heard that it was a part of the Grand Experiment from these 22 genetic experiments from these 40 groups. This experiment was not only genetic in nature but it was also spiritual in nature and that they were trying to enhance us in a spiritual way and that the pineal gland and something also to do with our light body were something that they were manipulating to try to help us become more spiritual and more developed in that way.
They are obviously at odds with this Draco Alliance group.
DW: So that would imply that the Super Federation is not all negative.
CG: No. Like I said, it’s all point of view. They have their agendas and they’re manipulating us the way they’re doing.
DW: We’ve had multiple insiders suggest that when you see the halo around someone like in these ancient pictures or in Buddhist illustrations it is more like a corona, that that would indicate a pineal gland that is much more active and that there is some sort of light phenomena. Did you ever see anything like that?
CG: Well, when I was talking just now about our light bodies, the exercises that they put us through were to not only activate our pineals but to expand our light bodies to where they would say that when they got us to the point where they wanted us, our light . . . We’d be sitting in a room and our light bodies would expand past the walls of the room that we were in.
So there is obviously a direct connection to the pineal gland and the development and expansion of your light body.
DW: Well, I want to get back to those exercises in a minute, but first I want to bring in another interesting point.
I’ve had at least four different insiders tell me that if our pineal gland is even partly activated, never mind fully activated, that we could literally fly throughout the cosmos.
Do you feel that it is somehow a stargate – like a portable, biological stargate built into our body just like hardware that we haven’t accessed yet?
CG: Yeah. A lot of beings use the pineal gland and their light body to project their consciousness and inner selves to other physical locations and then send that information back through that connection into their physical bodies and then change the vibrations of their physical bodies to match the vibration of the location that they are at and then the body teleports to that location and rejoins the consciousness or what some people are saying are having out-of-body experiences or projecting their minds – a lot of different terminology for what these more advanced beings were doing.
DW: I’m just curious, do you think that – because this is speculation that I’ve had – that the halo is actually the mouth of a wormhole and that you get gravitationally pulled up into the mouth when your pineal gland is open – you can fly up into that halo and travel through it?
CG: I think that these depictions of halos and auras that they’ve shown around people are just people that have really highly developed their light bodies and their pineal glands and developed themselves in very intuitive, spiritual ways and that’s the way they have been depicted in art.
And people that have also developed their light bodies in this way have a second sight and are able to see other people’s light bodies.
DW: Now in Tibet they actually will have a long thin sharp wood or something that they stick through someone’s forehead and they wound the pineal gland a little bit with it and that’s supposedly creates some kind of access. Do you think that they might be doing a more technological form of something like that with the sonic gun treatment they gave you?
CG: Yes, they were trying to find a way to stimulate the pineal gland.
DW: How did it feel when you were getting this treatment? What was your experience?
CG: You would have out-of-body experiences.
CG: Yeah. You would feel your light body grow. You’d feel yourself growing in all different directions outside of your body. Sometimes you would feel yourself knocked outside of your body behind yourself.
CG: But at the same time you would feel locally what was going on in your body – the sonic vibration going on into the wet brain matter behind your skull.
DW: Well, I did an episode on Wisdom Teachings with Dr. Michael Persinger who has something he calls the God Helmet.
They’ve got these very powerful magnetic guns that he can triangulate and aim into certain parts of the brain. He can create extreme panic and fear. He can make you sweat. He can create sexual arousal and there are certain parts of the brain where he beams it into where they have a ‘God experience’.
Now the skeptics love to bring Persinger in and say this is proof that there is no greater reality – that these visionary experiences are just a brain firing.
But to me it sounds like what Persinger is doing with the God Helmet is similar to what you’re saying with sound waves.
DW: Yeah. It sounds like it.
CG: Electromagnetic waves were also used on us at times.
DW: So do you think that anyone given this kind of a treatment would have an experience like you had or was it because you were prepared for it with your intuitive training?
CG: I think that they would have it. They would have some sort of experience. Yes. I was already, at a young age, having out of body experiences and weird experiences.
We would go on long car trips and I’d get bored and I’d project myself outside of the car and I would project out and fly over to the signs and over the hills and look back at the car and have an out-of-body experience. Going on long trips, I was already doing that at a very young age.
DW: My insider, Daniel, went through this intuitive training for what he called the PsyCorps. It was supposedly derived from the CIA or so he was told.
And I want to kind of go through some of the things that he said that they taught him and see how that compares with your training.
So number one was inverse calisthenics. They had him hang upside down by his knees or by his ankles and do sit-ups. And they were told that the more oxygen was in his blood and the more blood flowed through his pineal gland, that if they could strengthen the circulation into the pineal gland and the body in general, that that would enhance his abilities. Did you have any things similar to that?
CG: The closest thing we had to that they put us into pressure rooms that were highly pressurized and highly oxygenated. They would have us do meditation and they would hook up EEG-type electrodes to our heads and they had trained us to go to different states including theta and they would say on command tell you to go to a certain state and they would measure how quickly you could go there at different atmospheric pressures and oxygen levels inside this chamber.
DW: Do you think this was partly intended to help you be able to function in different extraterrestrial environments?
CG: This was all during the same time that . . . This all had to do with intuitive-empath enhancement.
DW: Well here on Gaiam TV we have a lot of yoga, tai-chi videos and people can get into that they’re subscribers. It’s included in your basic membership. I always thought that inverse calisthenics – these sit-ups upside down and increasing the over-all circulation – that when you look at the ancients, they’re saying, ‘Yoga, tai-chi – it’s all about building circulation.’ It’s about flexibility – all that kind of stuff.
Do you think that these kinds of exercises would be beneficial to people if they wanted to develop their intuition?
CG: Yes. And they were also teaching us tai-chi-type stuff.
CG: And it also had to do with a lot of visualization at the same time as visualizing spiritual energetic balls and making them travel and feeling them travel down different parts of your body and passing them around inside throughout your body.
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