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DW: What is the pineal gland?
CG: In the MILAB program, we got injections and sonic treatments focused between my eyes – the location of the pineal gland. They used an metal instrument pointed at our pineal gland and send sonic waves to that location.
They said it was to enhance our intuitive part of our IEabilities.
DW: Could you feel a sonic vibration in your skull?
CG: Yeah, yeah. You felt the sonic waves going in about a good 6 inches into your head. It was obviously an attempt to stimulate our pineal gland.
DW: In the scholarship that I’ve put out in Source Field, there’s a whole chapter on the pineal gland. We know it is in the geometric center of the brain. We know it is the size of a pea. It has more blood flow going through it than any other part of the body except the kidneys. And mainstream science says, ‘Oh, we don’t really know what this is.’
There are cells inside the pineal gland that are the same cells more or less as in the retina of the eye.
CG: Rods and cones?
DW: They’re called pinealocytes, but they are the same thing. And they are also wired into the visual cortex of the brain by the same type of wiring we have from our eyes. So the ancient traditions literally call it a ‘Third Eye’.
Pine cones and such iconography show up in all kinds of the world’s religions.
Do you think that there are things inside the pineal gland that these rods and cones are seeing?
CG: They said that it was to help stimulate the ‘second sight’ and the intuitive abilities. They stated that they knew that there are ancient earth breakaway groups that they’ve gotten their hands on who have very large pineal glands. They said that once all of our pineal glands used to be quite a bit larger than they are now.
They were trying to stimulate growth and activity in our pineal glands.
DW: That’s very interesting because the insider, Jacob, told me me that the Draco tried to engineer modern humans so that we would not have a pineal gland at all. And they got very mad because the benevolent ETs came in and reinstalled it.
Have you ever heard anything like that?
CG: No. I actually heard that it was a part of the Grand Experiment from these 22 genetic experiments from these 40 groups. This experiment was not only genetic in nature but it was also spiritual in nature and that they were trying to enhance us in a spiritual way and that the pineal gland and something also to do with our light body were something that they were manipulating to try to help us become more spiritual and more developed in that way.
They are obviously at odds with this Draco Alliance group.
DW: So that would imply that the Super Federation is not all negative.
CG: No. Like I said, it’s all point of view. They have their agendas and they’re manipulating us the way they’re doing.
DW: We’ve had multiple insiders suggest that when you see the halo around someone like in these ancient pictures or in Buddhist illustrations it is more like a corona, that that would indicate a pineal gland that is much more active and that there is some sort of light phenomena. Did you ever see anything like that?
CG: Well, when I was talking just now about our light bodies, the exercises that they put us through were to not only activate our pineals but to expand our light bodies to where they would say that when they got us to the point where they wanted us, our light . . . We’d be sitting in a room and our light bodies would expand past the walls of the room that we were in.
So there is obviously a direct connection to the pineal gland and the development and expansion of your light body.
DW: Well, I want to get back to those exercises in a minute, but first I want to bring in another interesting point.
I’ve had at least four different insiders tell me that if our pineal gland is even partly activated, never mind fully activated, that we could literally fly throughout the cosmos.
Do you feel that it is somehow a stargate – like a portable, biological stargate built into our body just like hardware that we haven’t accessed yet?
CG: Yeah. A lot of beings use the pineal gland and their light body to project their consciousness and inner selves to other physical locations and then send that information back through that connection into their physical bodies and then change the vibrations of their physical bodies to match the vibration of the location that they are at and then the body teleports to that location and rejoins the consciousness or what some people are saying are having out-of-body experiences or projecting their minds – a lot of different terminology for what these more advanced beings were doing.
DW: I’m just curious, do you think that – because this is speculation that I’ve had – that the halo is actually the mouth of a wormhole and that you get gravitationally pulled up into the mouth when your pineal gland is open – you can fly up into that halo and travel through it?
CG: I think that these depictions of halos and auras that they’ve shown around people are just people that have really highly developed their light bodies and their pineal glands and developed themselves in very intuitive, spiritual ways and that’s the way they have been depicted in art.
And people that have also developed their light bodies in this way have a second sight and are able to see other people’s light bodies.
DW: Now in Tibet they actually will have a long thin sharp wood or something that they stick through someone’s forehead and they wound the pineal gland a little bit with it and that’s supposedly creates some kind of access. Do you think that they might be doing a more technological form of something like that with the sonic gun treatment they gave you?
CG: Yes, they were trying to find a way to stimulate the pineal gland.
DW: How did it feel when you were getting this treatment? What was your experience?
CG: You would have out-of-body experiences.
CG: Yeah. You would feel your light body grow. You’d feel yourself growing in all different directions outside of your body. Sometimes you would feel yourself knocked outside of your body behind yourself.
CG: But at the same time you would feel locally what was going on in your body – the sonic vibration going on into the wet brain matter behind your skull.
DW: Well, I did an episode on Wisdom Teachings with Dr. Michael Persinger who has something he calls the God Helmet.
They’ve got these very powerful magnetic guns that he can triangulate and aim into certain parts of the brain. He can create extreme panic and fear. He can make you sweat. He can create sexual arousal and there are certain parts of the brain where he beams it into where they have a ‘God experience’.
Now the skeptics love to bring Persinger in and say this is proof that there is no greater reality – that these visionary experiences are just a brain firing.
But to me it sounds like what Persinger is doing with the God Helmet is similar to what you’re saying with sound waves.
DW: Yeah. It sounds like it.
CG: Electromagnetic waves were also used on us at times.
DW: So do you think that anyone given this kind of a treatment would have an experience like you had or was it because you were prepared for it with your intuitive training?
CG: I think that they would have it. They would have some sort of experience. Yes. I was already, at a young age, having out of body experiences and weird experiences.
We would go on long car trips and I’d get bored and I’d project myself outside of the car and I would project out and fly over to the signs and over the hills and look back at the car and have an out-of-body experience. Going on long trips, I was already doing that at a very young age.
DW: My insider, Daniel, went through this intuitive training for what he called the PsyCorps. It was supposedly derived from the CIA or so he was told.
And I want to kind of go through some of the things that he said that they taught him and see how that compares with your training.
So number one was inverse calisthenics. They had him hang upside down by his knees or by his ankles and do sit-ups. And they were told that the more oxygen was in his blood and the more blood flowed through his pineal gland, that if they could strengthen the circulation into the pineal gland and the body in general, that that would enhance his abilities. Did you have any things similar to that?
CG: The closest thing we had to that they put us into pressure rooms that were highly pressurized and highly oxygenated. They would have us do meditation and they would hook up EEG-type electrodes to our heads and they had trained us to go to different states including theta and they would say on command tell you to go to a certain state and they would measure how quickly you could go there at different atmospheric pressures and oxygen levels inside this chamber.
DW: Do you think this was partly intended to help you be able to function in different extraterrestrial environments?
CG: This was all during the same time that . . . This all had to do with intuitive-empath enhancement.
DW: Well here on Gaiam TV we have a lot of yoga, tai-chi videos and people can get into that they’re subscribers. It’s included in your basic membership. I always thought that inverse calisthenics – these sit-ups upside down and increasing the over-all circulation – that when you look at the ancients, they’re saying, ‘Yoga, tai-chi – it’s all about building circulation.’ It’s about flexibility – all that kind of stuff.
Do you think that these kinds of exercises would be beneficial to people if they wanted to develop their intuition?
CG: Yes. And they were also teaching us tai-chi-type stuff.
CG: And it also had to do with a lot of visualization at the same time as visualizing spiritual energetic balls and making them travel and feeling them travel down different parts of your body and passing them around inside throughout your body.
CG: It helps with oxygen and blood flow, but also they were incorporating us using it to move energy throughout our bodies.
DW: Could you explain a little more about what exactly you were suppose to witness? Was there a color to it? Was there a size to it? How many of them were there at once? Was there just one?
CG: Just one.
DW: Did they give you any specifics about what it was suppose to look like?
CG: Of our choosing. They just said, ‘Visualize a sphere, an energetic sphere. And take the sphere into your hand and then visualize passing it back and forth from your hand and then traveling all the way across your shoulders to your other hand. You would do that at first and then you would take it and then it would travel down your spine and back up your spine up to the top of your skull and then you would visualize it coming back down to your solar plexus and coming out and catching it in your hands and then circulating it again – a mental and visual exercise of passing this ball of energy throughout your body and also just feeling it.
DW: Could this just be done in a standing position or were there tai chi-type of movements that were associated with the sphere?
CG: You were moving your hands and body and visualizing it as you were doing it. You weren’t sitting in a static position as if you were meditating.
DW: Well, there definitely appear to be tai-chi moves that are associated with a sphere of energy like that. So could the sphere be like this big in certain cases (about 8 inches in diameter) or was it more small – like about that big (about 2 inches)?
CG: Yes. We were visualizing small spheres.
DW: But there was no color, like blue or white or anything.
CG: Usually like a light bulb, like a white light.
DW: How similar was tai chi now – because most people seem to be doing the same set of movements. Would you say that those movements were the same as what you were doing or were they somehow different?
CG: Very many of them are quite the same.
CG: Most people that are doing tai-chi know that they are doing energetic work at the same time. People that have practiced it long enough know that they are doing energetic work.
DW: I’ve never been able to find it online, but there’s a PBS video with Bill Moyers where he’s got a tai-chi master and that guy is standing there and people come running towards him and they are yelling and screaming and the just literally fly off of this guy.
What’s going on there? It seems like these people are getting hit with something energetically.
CG: Some of these people were demonstrating how they could throw these energy balls and put dents in metal.
CG: Yeah. These people were really developed.
DW: When you say ‘these people’ now, what are you talking about?
CG: The people that were teaching us that were really advanced.
DW: Are they space program people or are they extraterrestrials?
CG: No. This was back in the MILAB program. These were the black op types that were teaching the younger people.
DW: They could dent metal with these spheres that they created?
CG: Yeah. A sphere did not shoot out. But they were visualizing a sphere and they would shoot it out.
These people were the ones that believed very much in the like Star Wars, Jedi, the Force. And you wrote a book, the Source Field. They harnessed what they would call like the dark side of the Source Field or the dark side of the Force and they were very much into like really the straight out of Star Wars – the Jedi, the Dark Lord Seth kind of magic energy that they pulled from the ether or the universe.
DW: Well this gets into another thing that Daniel was telling me. I’m really interested in hearing what you have to say about this.
Explosive muscle movements – martial arts . . . Apparently . . . and some of the stuff . . . There’s a tai-chi guy that Pete Peterson knows and he’s really about this very intensing of the hands and the fingers like this.
What Daniel was told in this training was that these intense, violent muscle movements – something having to do with adrenaline – that adrenaline is like a magic energy conduit and that you can’t get these abilities by just doing smooth, gentle exercise – that push-ups, weightlifting, martial arts – this kind of stuff is essential.
Did you ever hear anything like that yourself/
CG: A lot of these guys that were doing this I didn’t see any signs of adrenaline. They seemed totally at ease, at peace and docile. It just seemed effortless for them and there was no [strong effort] kind of thing going on. It was just a real smooth motion kind of thing. It was obvious that they were acting as some sort of antenna point of energy from Source Field, I guess you would call it.
DW: So in tai-chi, from what little I know of it and actually you’re making me want to go start these videos right away. It’s finally making sense to me why you’d want to practice this.
They seem to always be big on . . . I’ve had some martial arts training so . . . bending your knees, lowering your center of gravity and they talk about the hara or the contien, the sort of area in your abdomen that you’re suppose to feel like there’s a string or an energetic cord coming up from the Earth. It’s sort of like you’re pulling energy out of the Earth.
Was that a part of the training to ground in that way by bending your knees?
CG: There was a grounding aspect mentioned of visualizing yourself grounded with the center of the Earth and also visualizing yourself as an antenna that can pull in and push out energy – this background energy of the cosmos.
DW: Daniel, in his training, one of the things that they also taught him was that it is the Earth that empowers magical work and the Earth has to authorize you to do these things, that your energy when you start to develop these feats of consciousness, the Earth will ultimately . . . you have to work with the Earth and it will authorize the action. Was that something that you encountered in your training?
CG: Well, we were taught a little bit beyond that. It all had to do with the cosmic web. The Earth had a relationship with the sun. The sun had a relationship with the local star cluster. The local star cluster had a relationship with the center of the galaxy. The galaxy had a relationship with the local galaxy cluster and so on.
DW: So what were some of the other things that they taught you for the intuitive training?
CG: There were a lot of other types of scenarios that they would put us through, including virtual reality, which often were very disturbing.
They would put you by yourself or you and your team in a virtual reality scenario. This is such an immersed virtual reality scenario that you have smells, tastes, feel . . . you feel wind.
DW: Did you know once you were in it that you were in a virtual reality?
CG: That was part of the test. You would be put into very horrific situations some times or asked to do very horrific things – put into battle situations with unpleasant type beings that you’d have to fight. You would have to rely more and more on your intuition to win. If you were just relying on martial arts or tactical training, you could never win.
But when you would rely on your intuitive abilities, you were able to win. And at that point, it was almost like a lucid dream. You would realize you were in a virtual world and then you would pull yourself out.
DW: This sounds exactly like the movie Divergent where you have this girl who is thrown into this virtual reality and she’s the divergent one. She’s the one that learns how to break any virtual reality and get out of it.
CG: Right. Ever since my first two audio interviews hit the Internet, I’ve heard that many times.
DW: Also the movie Ender’s Game where there’s a child in a space program and they are teaching these children to fight extraterrestrials and pilot ships. He realizes early on that he’s being thrown into virtual reality simulations that they want him to be as sociopathic as possible. And so rather than cooperating with these beings that are trying to give him a a challenge, he’ll like rip it’s eye out or something.
Is this the kind of stuff that they were . . . Did those movies seem to be related to what you’re experiencing.
CG: Yes. They were not only training us, but they were psychologically profiling us as well to see what type of orders we would follow – how far we would go. They wanted to know who were sociopaths. Who would follow certain types of orders. There were orders . . . yeah . . .
DW: Really horrible stuff.
CG: Yeah, really horrible stuff that I really don’t want to talk about on camera. You would see your somewhat friends, but team members, taking part in and you were ordered to take part in and you would have to make the moral choice or dilemma whether to fall to peer pressure – do what the others were doing or to not do it.
DW: What were some of the monstrosities that they had you fight, if you can tell us some of that? I don’t want you to drudge up a lot of nasty memories.
CG: They had a very good insight into what you did not like.
DW: Oh, so it’s like they deliberately target what you don’t like the most.
CG: They would target your fears. Obviously, I did not like spiders, apparently. So I did battle with very large spiders. I did battle with Reptilian-type beings.
DW: And there is no way to tell if it’s not real when you’re in it?
CG: Right. It gets hard to tell what is real and what is not. Once you finally get to a point in your intuitive-empath training to where you consistently are able to tell that you are put in a virtual reality setting, then you have somewhat graduated to a new level.
DW: You had mentioned to me in another conversation that sometimes it was like professional wrestler types – like big strong men?
DW: And you’d have to fight them.
CG: And you’re a kid.
DW: So this is sort of like a bad dream right?
CG: Uh huh.
DW: You don’t remember getting in to it, but once you are in it it just seems like this is your reality.
CG: You’d be in a scenario to where you are being put into the scenario that seemed logical and then you’re in this scenario and you’ve got to fight your way out of the scenario or figure your way out of the scenario. And the only way to do so successfully was in an intuitive way.
DW: Could you get a little more specific as to how that would play out or otherwise we’re just going to have to fill in what we think and not really know what you mean.
CG: Well, if you were fighting a person that . . . if you were fighting another person, you would then instead of relying on the martial arts or the tactical training, you would then lock into the person’s eyes and make a connection with them and then intuitively know what they were going to know before they would do it.
That was one step and when you were able to start doing that . . . and then situations would happen and you would intuitively know . . . When you were going to clear a building, you would intuitively know there were 12 rooms to clear. You would begin to intuitively know the first five rooms were already clear and the sixth room was the room where you had to engage.
And then once you started reaching this point, it starting becoming easier for you to intuit that you were in virtual reality. And from the very beginning, when you were put in a landing zone or put into a situation, you would immediately note that it was a virtual reality and you would pull yourself out.
DW: This is interesting because who is doing the actions in the virtual reality? Because if you are psychically detecting how to fight somebody, who is the somebody? Is there a person controlling who you are fighting? Is it a computer program? How does this actually work?
CG: They are pulling information out of our heads and control them. They also had the ability to put multiple people in the same virtual reality scenario to where these people were really there together.
When you were engaging with their mind and their chair.
DW: When you are fighting something like the tarantula, can there be a human operator controlling the actions of the tarantula or is it a computer program like an artificial intelligence?
CG: This was just a situation that was playing out in the virtual reality. I don’t know if it was artificial intelligence. It was very high-tech and I know that they were mirroring a lot of information out of your psyche into the virtual reality.
DW: If a technology like this could be done at all, undoubtedly some people are going to start thinking about stuff like the Matrix and wonder how much of all our reality is a simulation or is some how a virtual greater compartmentalized part of . . .
CG: Row, row, row your boat. Life is but a dream.
DW: Ha, ha. Do you think that ultimately, if we’re looking at the fact that we only remember one lifetime and it seems like we have an afterlife through reincarnation, that our life here is sort of like a simulation – every time we wake up from sleep that we’re jumping back into this hologram?
CG: That’s probably a good way to put it, but we’re definitely, from what I was told by the Blue Avians, since we’re spiritual children still when we die – we’re not living long enough to spiritually develop. It’s taking us multiple lifetimes to learn the lessons and to spiritually develop to a point to where we can graduate to become higher density beings.
DW: Well you’ve heard it here. This is Cosmic Disclosure – very mindblowing information and there is much, more where this came from. We have 52 episodes and we may even be doing more past that point. So every week you’re going to be hearing fascinating stuff like this. So please stay tuned.
I’m your host David Wilcock and we thank you for watching.