FROM THE FIRST ORDER:
BEFORE YOU LISTEN to the GLOBAL LANDA THING. READ THIS, READ SOME POINTS that WE HAVE COME UP WITH as “THEY WILL BECOME OBVIOUS,” EVIDENT AFTER YOU READ THIS. IF SOMETHING was SAID SOONER, the “STING for the DARK,” MAY not have happened? QUITE POSSIBLY! HOWEVER RIGHT NOW, WE SHOULD ALWAYS KEEP ON PUSHING for NESARA as WELL without FAIL!
FINALLY, this [IS 1 PART of the INFO] I HAVE BEEN WAITING for TO BE “CONFIRMED,” yet AGAIN as IT IS OBVIOUS, out of the MANY TIMES this is SUPPOSED to HAPPEN. MY EDUCATED GUESS is POINT BEING, SOMETHING that a COUPLE of the “OTHER REAL GOOD GUYS,” are SAYING as this “ORIGINAL CURRENCY EXCHANGE” was ACTUALLY SET-UP by those EVIL MASS-MURDERING “BUSH FAMILY CABAL!” GO FIGURE! HOWEVER, THIS HAS STARTED to BECOME way too OBVIOUS as the many, many, many times, that “THIS WAS SUPPOSED to HAPPEN!”
2nd EDUCATED GUESS, TIER 1, [SERIOUSLY!] “THE CABAL, GOES IN FIRST of COURSE and CLEANS OUT the HOUSE,” with THEIR “GREEDY WAREHOUSES” of “PALLETS & PALLETS of CURRENCY!” KNOWING “FULL WELL” that the DARK CABAL SOULED – would [NEVER in a MILLION YEARS] would THOSE SAME CABAL MEMBERS – WOULD EVER [GIVE the GOOD GUYS] the “REAL CHANCE,” and OPPORTUNITIES for US, the “GOOD GUYS,” to ACTUALLY – HAVE ENOUGH CURRENCY “REAL CURRENCY,” that this REAL MONEY “MONEY to CHANGE THE WORLD for the BETTER!” INTO the “HANDS of the RIGHT, and the LIGHT!” GOD has HIS OWN PLAN for US LIGHTWORKERS, SOMETHING that “GOD will NEVER LET-US DOWN!”
GOD has “HIS OWN PLANS for ALL of US dedicated LIGHTWORKER’S with this “PROSPERITY,” and “CURRENCY EXCHANGES,” NESARA and GESARA etc. PROSPERITY PROGRAMS etc. WILL there “STILL BE a CURRENCY EXCHANGE,” to HAPPEN for THE GOOD GUYS? WHY do YOU LISTEN and FIND-OUT. WE have BEEN HEARING that YES, it MAY HAPPEN for US!
REMEMBER that “A LOT of the LIGHTWORKER’S have REALLY INVESTED in these CURRENCIES,” that are EXPECTED to be COMPENSATED. THAT HAVE “NO IDEA,” THROUGH, NO FAULT of THEIR OWN that this WHOLE EXCHANGE IDEA was ORIGINALLY SET-UP by the “BUSH CABAL!” WELL, in ALL HONESTLY WHILST the “LIGHT FORCES,” SCREEN THROUGH the TIER 1 – I believe was the DARK ONES who KEPT on STEALING it.
Most of us have invested some CURRENCY that would fit into “ONE of OUR POCKETS!” BUT the “BAD CABAL GUYS,” of COURSE have “TRILLIONS of TRILLIONS,” of INDIVIDUAL NOTES that would PROBABLY “WIPE OUT the OUR WORLD CURRENCY RESERVES,” by the INSANE AMOUNTS of PILES and PILES “AMOUNTS in DOLLARS the GREEDY ONES,” have “STASHED!”
BECAUSE of THIS REASON, OF ABSOLUTE GREED [AGAIN] by THE CABAL have yet to realize “THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY – NO SPIRITUAL CURRENCY,” in other WORDS would “NEVER EVER, PAY it FORWARD,” as they NEVER SPIRITUALLY INTENDED to “GIVE to OTHERS in the FIRST PLACE!” ANOTHER REASON why the “LIGHT FORCES,” KEEP PUSHING US to SIGN the NESARA, because it “WILL REALLY WIPE-OUT the HUMAN DEBT LOAD, so GENEROUSLY FORCED on OUR GREAT GREAT GRAND-PARENTS all along AND PASSED, this “MASSIVE FAKE DEBT,” onto US, SO THEY CAN JUST KEEP “STEALING and PRINTING even MORE MONEY!” AS THE DARK’S PLAN to CONTINUALLY “KEEP the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE,” in A FAKE DEBT, CREATING, “PERMANENT DEBT SLAVERY and a PERMANENT created LACK,” to “KEEP HUMANITY ENSLAVED on this PLANET FOREVER.”
NOW that a LOT of the LIGHTWORKER’S and OTHERS have “INVESTED in this CURRENCY,” I do BELIEVE, that GOD will NOT LET US DOWN. ONE way or THE OTHER, so I am NOT too worried ABOUT it. ABOUT the “BUSH CABAL,” starting this, I just found out recently myself about it, and KIND of figured it out as well, BECAUSE they were [CABAL obviously] must have BEEN the TIER 1. UNLESS STOPPED or ARRESTED. [BUT I WAS VERY RELUCTANT to SAY ANYTHING, as only 1 source that WE heard of, actually mentioned this.] WE NEEDED, to HEAR and KNOW MUCH MORE CONFIRMATION on this. TO HEAR that the “BUSH CABAL STARTED THIS,” is LIKE a “KICK in the TEETH,” to those of THE “LIGHT FORCES,” that have INNOCENTLY INVESTED in THIS to LEGITIMATELY WANTING to PAY it FORWARD!” It is “VERY UPSETTING,” to KNOW THIS and NOT REALIZE IT until after the FACT. I FELT very “BETRAYED,” after I READ that the BUSH clan did this!
HOWEVER, of COURSE, GOD OUR HEAVENLY MOTHER and FATHER the CREATORS of HUMANITY, KNOWS, many LIGHTWORKER’S HAVE REALLY INVESTED in THIS. AND DO not WANT to BE LET DOWN, ESPECIALLY SINCE, “NONE of US,” KNEW the BUSH CABAL had ACTUALLY STARTED this, until recently! So we INNOCENTLY BOUGHT the CURRENCY!
I JUST NEEDED it MORE CONFIRMED [by a few other sources than just the one source] before I REALIZED, “MY GOD, this REALLY is a STING!” BUT I became UPSET, when I FOUND this out MYSELF. As WE the LIGHT FORCES ARE going to USE the CURRENCY we HAVE invested in, to HELP OTHERS, and NOT JUST ourselves. AND the FACT that “I PRAYED to GOD,” a few times, that EVERY LIGHTWORKER finds out about THIS CURRENCY EXCHANGE to USE this MONEY for our PROJECTS. THIS was “WELL BEFORE I even HEARD it that it was STARTED by the BUSH CABAL.” YOU have to REMEMBER, OUR ENTIRE PLANET has been ROBBED by a “SMALL CABAL GROUP,” of PEOPLE for a VERY VERY long time. I DO BELIEVE GOD, will NOT LET the LIGHT FORCES DOWN, and WE WILL have “SOMETHING that WILL BE MIND-BLOWING,” for the ENTIRE PLANET!” GOD is “NOT GOING to LET DOWN the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE,” like the CABAL GUYS DID. SO DO NOT FRET FOLKS. I DID not “WANT TO BELIEVE the BUSHES started THIS,” so I chalked it OFF as “DISS-INFO,” trying to MESS with OUR HEADS! I have BEEN “PRAYING like CRAZY, the LAST FEW DAYS if the RV Is REALLY LEGIT,or DID WE GET LEAD DOWN the RABBIT HOLE, ONCE AGAIN?”
FOR “MY PRODUCTS” I WILL “GIVE AWAY for FREE,” [20 %] of EVERY ITEM, I WILL EITHER BUILD, by SELF MANUFACTURE or BOUGHT, by MANUFACTURED. FOR EVERY “100 BUILT or BOUGHT, “20 will GO to the NEEDY for FREE!” 20 percent WILL KEEP THOSE “BANKERS HAPPY,” as it WILL SHOW a RETURN in INVESTMENT. THE “BANKS are out to MAKE MONEY REMEMBER!” 20% of ALL PROFIT, is one FIFTH of the PROFIT goes OUT to HUMANITY. IT would BE MORE, if WE HAVE OUR WAY, and HAD ENOUGH “COIN,” to DO SO! HOWEVER, the “BANKS, of COURSE,” want US to SHOW a HEALTHY RETURN, so IT KEEPS US in BUSINESS and KEEPS MONEY coming to THEM, at LEAST this is HOW IT LOOKS on PAPER to them, CORRECT? In order to KEEP the BANKS HAPPY a “20% “tax right off, ” for DONATIONS and GIVING BACK – PAYING it FORWARD – SEEMS – FEASIBLE to THE BANKS!
NOW WE KNOW that WE PLAN to GIVE AWAY and AID, MORE THAN WE CAN ACTUALLY SAY. THE BANKS are OUT to “MAKE MONEY,” it’s the BOTTOM LINE to THEM, is A BIGGER RETURN for them, THAT KEEPS US in BUSINESS, KEEPS “PEOPLE.” in the WORK FORCE etc. WHICH “TURNS the BANKERS ON,” of COURSE. YOU CANNOT GO into the BANK and SAY, I WANT the BEST EXCHANGE RATE, BECAUSE I PLAN ON GIVING AWAY MOST of THIS MONEY, so GIVE ME THE NDA and THE BEST RATE!” THEY WILL SEE this as “FOLLY and a REAL BAD INVESTMENT,” return FOR THEIR DOLLAR. [EVEN though MOST of US, that will HAVE this MONEY] WANT or HELP MORE than “WE CAN ACTUALLY TELL THEM!’
BUT in the SAME TOKEN, the BANKERS also “DO NOT CONSIDER the FACTS HERE,” that WE ARE WAY MORE INTELLIGENT than credit is given for. THE “FACTS,” that WE are ALL INTELLIGENT ENOUGH, to “HAVE A COUPLE of PROJECTS,” going at ONCE. SOME that WILL BRING in a [considered by te BANKS] to be a PROPER INCOME, of a RETURN on this INVESTMENT. SOME PROJECTS we HAVE ARE considered as “SELF-SUFFICIENT,” that WILL CREATE MORE MONEY. AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT can BE “GIVEN AWAY for FREE,” because of the other PROJECTS that HAVE WILL ALSO KEEP GENERATING MONEY, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT. [GENERATE ENOUGH MONEY,] so WE CAN KEEP the GENEROSITY BALL ROLLING.
AFTER the MONEY is EXCHANGED, YOU WILL HAVE to “HONOR, your PROJECTS OBVIOUSLY“, BUT “THEY WILL HAVE NO RIGHTS,” to TELL US, WHAT WE CAN GIVE AWAY to OTHERS or even “HOW WE CAN PAY IT FORWARD!” OR ANY OTHER PROJECTS we DECIDE is FOR THE BETTER and BENEFITS of OTHERS. IT is “LIKE A CATCH 22 MEETING,” which SUCKS for US, UNLESS we CAN “PROVE TO THEM,” their IS A RETURN OF MONEY. BUT what I DO NOT GET IS, this IS NOT AN ACTUAL LOAN. SO WHAT BOTHERS ME, I GUESS, “MORE THAN ANYTHING,” is that WE are BEING TOLD, HOW to INVEST and “SPEND THIS MONEY,” EVEN though it IS NOT CONSIDERED an ACTUAL LOAN, BUT it IS to MAKE LIFE “BETTER FOR OTHERS!” AND if “WE DO NOT SHOW A RETURN SOMEHOW” on this MONEY,” it is NOT CONSIDERED by them to feasible to “GIVE US A BETTER RATE“
HOW can I SAY THIS, for EXAMPLE, “THE FOOD REPLICATORS!” which I WOULD LOVE TO “JUST GIVE AWAY for FREE,” but ONE WOULD NEED a TONNE of MONEY FOR THAT. BUT IF you GO IN AND SAY THAT, the FEAR is;
A. THEY WILL GIVE ME A LOWER RATE, if I WAS to SAY THAT and THEY WOULD CONSIDER it a BAD BUSINESS RISK with ZERO RETURN of MONEY.
B. MIGHT THINK we ARE CRAZY to DO THAT, as THE BANKS ONLY THINK in TERMS of , WHAT WILL the “BANKS GET OUT THIS!”
THEY are “NOT THINKING,” THE GENEROSITY FACTOR that YOU and I ARE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, we HAVE SOME KIND of SAY and CONTROL, BUT BECAUSE of the “WHAT’S IN IT for THE BANKS,” is “ALL THEY CARE ABOUT!” AND UNFORTUNATELY it is NOT HUMANITY, we take a back seat!
IT is VERY TRICKY, BUT IF YOU GO IN ‘WITH SEVERAL PROJECTS,” with an ATTITUDE of RETURN in INVESTMENT for THE BANKS, I BELIEVE you MAY “DO MUCH BETTER on YOUR EXCHANGES!’ BECUASE of the WAY the BANKERS “THINK and RUN THINGS!” I have “SEVERAL PROJECTS!” A COUPLE that WILL GENERATE MONEY and OTHERS that WILL GENERATE MONEY “BUT,” they WILL GENERATE EVEN MORE MONEY over TIME, a SLOW INVESTMENT, that CAN KEEP my HEAD AFLOAT, the BUSINESSES AFLOAT, BUT – CAN GIVE BACK A LOT MORE GENEROUSLY, than I CAN ACTUALLY TELL THEM! PLUS the 20 % of PRODUCTS I will “GIVE AWAY,” 20 “FREE FOOD REPLICATORS,” for VERY 100 SOLD. I CANNOT EVEN SPEAK too MUCH of THIS INVESTMENT YET becuase I DO NOT EVEN have a COST or PRODUCT YET, BECAUSE of the “RED TAPE B.S. CRAP,” of the best PATENTS [held back from Humanity] and THAT I DO NOT HAVE a PATENT or a COMPANY to BUY THEM OFF OF, as IT DOES not EXIST YET, UNTIL THE CABAL is COMPLETELY GONE, or that the cabal CANNOT STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING. SO I MAY JUST GO with THE FREE ENERGY to START WITH, and ADD the FOOD REPLICATOR THING, WHEN IT is READY!
IT would BE SO MUCH EASIER if EVERY SINGLE BANKER was A LIGHTWORKER as THEN WE COULD JUST TELL IT LIKE WE WANT IT, BUT WE CAN’T GET THAT LUCKY! SO YOU HAVE to HAVE PROPER and LEGITIMATE to HELP OTHERS, YET STILL BRING IN SOME INCOMES BUSINESSES that, EMPLOY OTHERS, YET STILL, GIVE TO OTHERS. GIVE BACK to SOCIETY, YET STILL HAVE A MONEY FLOW, TO KEEP GOING YOURSELVES. I HOPE this HELPS YOU, as I HAVE HAD to DO, “A LOT of THINKING ABOUT THIS to do ALSO!” NOT an EASY TASK, but YOU can GET IT and FIGURE IT OUT as I AM TRYING to HELP you UNDERSTAND, where THE BANKS are COMING FROM, EVEN though they HAVE NO RIGHT to TELL US “HOW WE can SPEND THIS MONEY,” in the TERMS of HOW MUCH we CAN HELP OTHERS or HOW WE PLAN on DOING-IT anyways.
UNFORTUNATELY YOU CANNOT go in the BANK and SAY, “HEY LOOK, MAN you KNOW, I JUST WANT the BEST EXCHANGE RATE,” BECAUSE I PLAN to GIVE “MOST of this MONEY or HALF of these PRODUCTS AWAY!” I DO BELIEVE, you will GET “STIFFED,” on your exchange and CONSIDERED a “HUGE FINANCIAL RISK!” SO have a COUPLE of PLANS that are SMART!
WHAT EVER HAPPENS, I DO BELIEVE that the “LIGHT FORCES,” will COME OUT AHEAD and BE ABLE to “DO THEIR PROJECTS!” WE have OTHER FUNDS by the ANCIENT FAMILIES and GENERATIONS of GENEROSITY stashed to HELP the HUMAN RACE, as “WE are ALL in this TOGETHER!” GOD KNOWS that the LIGHT will PAY it FORWARD, there is NO DOUBT of THAT.
REMEMBER, “WE BARTERED and TRADED before the CURRENCY CAME!” “I will TRADE you 1 METAL POT for COOKING for a HUGE BAG of RICE!”
NAMASTE”
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THEY SAY in THIS CALL, that OBAMA is STILL in the WHITEHOUSE and that GENERAL DUNFORD is THERE ALSO. YOU will have to HEAR IT .
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SATURDAY, MARCH 12, 2016
LANDA GLOBAL CONFERENCE CALL, 12 MARCH
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SB11: RV-INTEL Alert from Operation Disclosure for March 11, 2016, 12 MARCH
SB11: RV-INTEL Alert from Operation Disclosure for March 11, 2016
RV/INTELLIGENCE ALERT – MARCH 11, 2016
THIS IS WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON.
ALL THE MISINFORMATION IS PART OF A “STING” OPERATION AGAINST THE CABAL.
WE’VE HEARD THIS BEFORE BUT I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE TRUTH AND IT IS STILL IN PROCESS UNTIL THE CABAL MAKE A MISTAKE AND GET TAKEN OUT.
WHAT I’M ABOUT TO SAY HAS BEEN CONSTANTLY REPEATED IN THE PAST BUT…
IT WILL HAPPEN WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT IT.
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SB11: “Understanding the Wild Stuff Going on” – Anonymous Guest Post , 12 MARCH
SB11: “Understanding the Wild Stuff Going on” – Anonymous Guest Post 3/11/2016
06:15:00 PM
Understanding the WILD stuff going on, or not going on as it were….
First, we are getting Miss-Information from both the bad guys and the good guys.
The Bad Guys Dis-Information:
The nature of the bad guy’s information is of loss of hope, and fear.
These messages state things like the RV will never happen, or will happen months or years from now.
They want you to lose hope about it, cash in your currencies and at the very least stop buying any more, and stop telling others about it.
When you read information that sounds like it it is not happening any time soon if ever, that is bad guy’s information.
The Good Guy’s Dis-Information:
The nature of the good’s guy’s disinformation is to fake out the bad guys so they will make a move or as a trial balloon.
The last time this global reset was going to happen, was September 12, 2001. The date was clearly set so far in advance that the bad guys were able to plan a hugely destructive event on Sep 11, 2001 (9/11) the day before which derailed the entire event for nearly 15 years.
So, now, there is no way we will know the exact date until it is already going and done. There will be no advance warning to the bad guys.
With that said, the good guys have clearly and deliberately tricked us into believing that it would happen on a certain date with all the lintel providers so that the bad guys would think so as well. No doubt you have heard about some of these which turned out to be “Sting” operations.
They tricked the bad guys into action and they were then caught. If they had done the same thing 15 years ago, they may have been able to figure out what the bad guys were planning. Personally, I don;t think that they had any idea how far they would go to stop it, but, they do now and they are being VERY Cautious this time, to be sure it doesn’t happen again.
So, sorry for all the false calls on dates, but, in the long run, it saves the RV and lives as well.
The “Trial” Balloon:
The trial balloon is where an idea is floated out into the public as news before it actually happens just to see how people will react to it. This goes back as far as civilization does. If the public or target audience likes the idea, it will be clear or if they don;t you will know BEFORE doing it. Often, the news is presented as already done/true so that they can get the best feed back about it. The truest response.
I heard the story about “Led Zeppelin” name cam from a reference to a review of their music as “Going over like a led zeppelin(Balloon)” In short it wasn’t liked at first.
So I think that the White House info may have been a “Trial Balloon” to see if that type of transition of power “would Work.” I don;t know. With most dis-information some of it is true and some is not.
Where are We Now… Really?:
For sure we are closer than we have ever been. Non-Intell people in the project funding side have said they are actually getting their money, which is a very good sign. It seems that the sources of currency are drying up and becoming hard to get, that is a good sign. The banks are on high alert which has happened many times over the last two years. However that is a good tool because they keep bringing in their people over and over again, and then, one day they bring them in and it really happens.
It would be so easy if it wasn’t a secret from the rest of the World, it didn’t involve 210 countries, and there wasn’t bad guys that were trying to stop it from happening who were willing to kill people to prevent it.
But it is secret, involves 210 countries and is a fight.
We will eventually know what was really true and what really happened after this is all over. But until then, we can only ride this wild roller coaster knowing that when it comes to a stop, we will be in the bank getting our money. For now, we are still on the ride.
My Thoughts:
I really think that it will happen this weekend. The Most dis-information always comes at the end when it really matters and boy are we being barraged by misinformation right now. I think As soon as we (and the bad guys) are burned out about the date and time, it will happen. When least expected.
Now… On with the show!!!!
Signed: “One Who Believes”
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WSOMN CHAT UPDATE, 12 MARCH
WSOMN :
Platinumrunway: Evening everyone…Well banks are on alert that rumor is true.
As far as it happening tonight….eeeeeeh hopeful but staying grounded
Everything points toward next 48 hrs, guess we will see.
Source went dark as of 4 today
Garfield: Plat have you been gagged like some of the owners??
Platinumrunway: No gag just need a lil more intel….Wont have it until about 1 am
Headed out see u guys soon, keep phones close….currency even closer…wink!!
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FRIDAY, MARCH 11, 2016
TNT CC NOTES, 11 MARCH
TNT Call notes 11-March-2016
RayRen: [TNT Rap]. http://checks Greetings, good afternoon, TNT super-fantastic family! Welcome to Fantabulous Friday, March 11, 2016. This is RayRen98. I understand that one of our members, LadyC, is in the hospital, so I want to dedicate this call to her. We wish you a speedy recovery.
I don’t know if it’s Finally-Gonna-See-It Friday, but many bank people are anticipating it today and/or tomorrow. Friday or Saturday, both are good for me, and that is the general consensus. Earlier this week private exchanges took place, and that let’s us know we are still in the game. Progress is being made. Some activity is better than nothing. The banks are still looking for us, they are just waiting for the final release and go-ahead. Everything else is in place, systems are all go, rates are on the screens, no pending, everything is good to go, we just can’t touch it yet. People have attempted to exchange and the bank people haven’t been able to do it on the public side. But everyone wants to get this over with, and move it on through. We want to move it on through as well.
What’s the hold up? The answer is elusive, and we wait on that. In Iraq, they are getting some mixed messages like we experienced earlier this week. Last time we talked about Abadi possibly waiting for ten days to resolve the cabinet and CBI issues, and we thought may that is the hold up, but no one really knows who is not at the round table making those decisions. Now there have been some developments since then: there was an article saying Abadi would make a speech or announcement on Thursday. He sent out a tweet saying the new cabinet would be announced ‘soon’. We know their time-scales and words are not exactly the same as ours. But that was the message.
Also, there was another report that he DID make an announcement yesterday to say he would make an announcement today, Friday. We anticipated the announcement would be that the cabinet is set and done, and the RV is released, and everyone would be happy. We are waiting on that information from across the pond.
There are numerous articles out there, and some have truth in them while others are there to mislead us. One article talks about a partial halt in the Iraqi markets due to high exchange rates. What does that mean? We believe the effective rate is between 90 cents and $1.08, not just in Kurdistan but across the board, including Baghdad. We are still waiting on confirmation, but I had that on Monday and here we are on Friday, and seeing these articles. So something is happening over there with the rate structure. We have intel that the cards have been loaded with that rate, and there is still citizen unrest because they expect the higher rate we have all been anticipating.
That’s the intel for today, that we feel good about. I’m sure you are hearing other info from other sites and calls; some of it is outlandish and already proven wrong based on our contacts and sources and events in general. You can still that people in charge of this country are still in place, and still keeping their appointments. The tainted parts make it hard to believe the rest of the information from those sources. So I am only giving the intel I get from solid sources that have proved true in the past.
Let’s look at the questions from the forum members; there are quite a few today.
Q: Why are the US government, IMF and world banks still blocking the RV? A: I don’t know that all three of them are still blocking it.
Q: Why are the banks claiming ‘any minute’ when cities like Mosul are still in ISIL hands? There seems to be a disconnect. A: Do those issues have to be resolved before an RV? The banks are going on the information they receive and make their decisions accordingly. The banks are training their people, staffing the exchange centers, etc., based on the info they have received.
Q: Are you still seeing the 20th mentioned on Iraqi television as the time for Abadi to complete the reforms? A: With Abadi’s tweets that the new cabinet will be announced ‘soon’, I think that is more important than the date of the 20th.
Q: Who is calling the shots here? A: With all the conflicting information, we just have to sit, wait, watch and be ready to move on a moment’s notice.
Q: Many of this intel seems like stalling actions to slow this down, especially with the rates rumors, bond sales, and so on. Does more have to be done in Iraq before the release? IF so, what? A: Yes, and I decline to say what I think those might be.
Q: Are there things that need to be addressed outside Iraq? A: I’ll leave that alone, too.
Q: Do your sources say that Mosul needs to be under control before the RV? A: I’m not hearing that. I do think we are further along than the public news would suggest.
Q: Do you think the 100 and 50 trillion zim notes are historical bonds? A: I really don’t care as long as I get the rate. Whether pennies or dollars, that will be the rate. I intend to get the higher numbers, if I can.
Q: If we go to exchange centers, how do we get the funds into our own bank accounts? A: What are we calling exchange centers? If you mean the places in the malls or airports that exchange currency, you give them paper and they give you paper back. Some people say they will wire them into your bank account. Mostly when we speak of bank exchange centers, that are part of the banks themselves, you are still exchanging with the banks even if it is in a different location. You give them the currency, they sign for it and fill up your account in their bank.
Q: The ISX was active for a few hours and then shut down, reportedly because the value of the dinar rose too fast. What’s your view? A: The article said they had to halt the market because of high exchange rates; I haven’t received more on that today, so far.
Q: Have any groups actually exchanged? A: As of yesterday, those groups have not been to the banks yet.
Q: How soon will we go after the groups? A: If we don’t go at the same time as the groups, we will be maybe 30 seconds behind.
Q: Have you heard that the President and VP resigned? A: Someone emailed me that on Monday but President Obama was then in Canada talking to their Premier. Don’t believe everything you hear, especially on the internet!
Q: Have you heard the latest rates? A: Yes, I have, but I don’t see the need to repeat them as they change every day, and so I think the rates are just place-holders. You will find out the true rates when you go to exchange, and once they are public, you’ll know anyway.
Q: When the internet group gets 800 numbers, will I be able to exchange in Germany?
A: I would think that when the rate goes fully international, you can exchange there or at any foreign exchange bank in any country.
Q: If everything is ready to go here, why would we be waiting on events in Iraq? A: I don’t know. Maybe if they hear me on this call, they will contact me and give me the answer!
Q: If you only have dong and want the highest rate you can get without signing an NDA, should you wait for the 800 numbers or hold back until it goes public? And what is the dong rate? A: We are hearing 47 cents to two dollars, so that would probably be the highest rate you can get without contract rates and an NDA. I am not sure we’ll be getting 800 numbers; cannot count on that as much as some would like me to believe.
Q: Do you think that zim will only be exchanged at Wells Fargo? A: No. I think all the tier 1 banks will be exchanging it as well – several have said so already. I don’t think WF will corner the market on the zim.
Q: I would like some clarity on this information: I have family members overseas who have currencies. How are they supposed to leave their duty to exchange? A: I assume they will be able to exchange on their bases – they should check that out in advance, so that when we are ready to rock and roll, they will know what to do. Have them check the base banks and find out their procedure.
Moving on to live callers:
716 caller: I have a question. Before, I have heard (from Tony) that when you go in to exchange, you should create new accounts to put them in, then sweep them into another new account, to keep them in the bank. Is that still the policy?
RayRen: No, and you didn’t hear that from us. Before we did talk about dealers wiring your dollars into your account, and then to sweep the funds into a new account so that no one could withdraw that money back out again. You found that information coming from the forum, in the Ten Things list, but that wasn’t actually from Tony or his strategy.
Caller: That makes it easier for me! [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
602 caller: From your opening statement, you said there some things that needed to be done. Even though the banks are saying today or tomorrow, does that mean you think that this is further away than this weekend?
RayRen: No, I’m going along with the banks. I don’t feel so, I just try to stay out of affairs of state, and they won’t make a difference to the RV, so I leave certain things out. I am listening to the banks right now; it’s a more enjoyable ride.
Caller: Me, too! [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
918 caller: I’m a first-time caller, with a comment. I’ve been in this for a while, listened to a lot of call with a lot of (mostly) disinformation… This is like a basketball game where the crowd is going nuts believing things as a the journey goes on; with one second left, who would I want at the free throw line? RayRen, especially after all the BS that came out this week. The sign of a true pro is someone who knows how to act, when to act, and when not to act. [More of the same] I want this to happen because I want out of the BS! Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
541 caller: when Tony and DC were doing the calls, there was reference to a backdate when we can exchange the zim.
RayRen: That date has changed twice already, and when this goes live they will probably change that date again. Most of us won’t take a lot of time to get there anyway, when you think of what that currency represents. The minute you know it’s available, you’ll go exchange your zim right away, so I don’t think we’ll be worrying about an expiration date.
Caller: He’s not able to do a humanitarian project, but will give money here and there; no one expected the zim rate to go up so high, so he needs time to find the right organization to give zim to, so that they can exchange it to support their humanitarian projects.
RayRen: I think you guys have been misinformed. From the banking people I speak with, nothing you are going to do with this money will influence the rate that you get. If the person across has the authority to grant you a contract rate, and we ran through some scenarios where they would make those decisions. If I were that person, in a bank that is there to make money, I wouldn’t be as interested in someone who is just going to give all their money away. I’d be more inclined to give a higher rate to those who want to engage with my bank.
Caller: He doesn’t want to have it period. He wants to GIVE it to the individuals and/or organizations that are doing these projects, and then they can exchange.
RayRen: So what is the concern with the date?
Caller: He needs time to find legitimate recipients.
RayRen: If you want to find recipients for the actual currency, and you are worried that the currency will expire before you can make those gifts… then just go exchange it and hold onto the money until you are ready to make that distribution.
Caller: He doesn’t want to do that. Do we still only have 20 minutes to do the exchange? Opening an ordinary account takes 20-30 minutes.
RayRen: Those who have done early exchanges have taken an hour or even two, so maybe that 20 minute limit is no longer an issue.
313 caller: I was reading something last night that said Iraq will start issuing bonds on the 16th. That means they would have to have an international currency, right? So that means it has to happen before then…
RayRen: That would be the impression. Of course, the same thinking happened a few years ago when they started selling stocks, but it turned out that was only in-country. So we will have to see where those bond sales take place.
Caller: When is it going to end?
RayRen: It would be nice to have the answer to that question. Probably Abadi knows. All we can do in the interim is to check our paperwork and lists, and make sure we are ready. That’s all we can do for the time being.
Caller: [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
707 caller: [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
601 caller: If you and I both go into an exchange, and you sign an NDA and I don’t, why would I not be able to talk about it?
RayRen: You would be getting the international rate, and I would get higher rates, so I would sign an agreement not to talk about it. The NDA is not saying you can’t tell people that you exchanged, it just prevents you from talking about the rate at which you exchanged.
Caller: Could there be something that would give the bank some other power or control over your money?
RayRen: No, the NDA is just a Non Disclosure Agreement; it doesn’t give the bank carte blanche over what to do with your money, unless you make such an arrangement so that they can invest your money. Yes, it may be as much as five pages, but that’s just legal verbiage, with a whole paragraph is required for things we would need one sentence for. In legal documents, you have to make sure thee are no loopholes. A three-page NDA might only say one thing, basically, but the legal language to cover all the bases.
Caller: How is it that some groups have permission to go and we don’t?
RayRen: The only exchanges I know about are private individual exchanges. The groups are still waiting to go now, and we are included in that activity. Then it becomes public knowledge, but we’ll be long gone by then.
Caller: What is this about going date, to the next date, to the next date?
RayRen: Those have been dates WE have been working out. When the government is giving a date, they tend to keep to that, like when the Iraqi government gave out their cards. We seize on those dates, and then we get disappointed, but it’s not the government saying that. Iraq said “you’ll have the cards by the 1st”, and they did – they just weren’t funded as we expected. Some are still getting funded now! That’s a part of the process that we didn’t anticipate.
Caller: Some while ago, they said that we could exchange a 25K dinar note and then do the rest later. That would have taken a lot of stress off people.
RayRen: On the other hand, the rates are much better now, so think of what we would have lost if we have exchanged that 25K note, just to satisfy some immediate debt. Some found other ways to satisfy their debts – or not – and life carried on. We made it. This has taught us how to be more patient, to persevere and to plan better. In the long run, that makes us better people.
Caller: [Appreciation] Vegas, Vegas, Vegas!
Looking at the clock, it’s Friday and we’re waiting for what can possibly happen. We have bank people expecting us today, tomorrow, with some banks telling their people not to take time off. The announcement from Abadi should take place today, and that could be about the new cabinet and CBI. Could the rate move from 90 cents to $3.41? We don’t have the answers yet, so we have to wait ti out. We are still in the midst of this final phase of this pre-RV activity. When it happens, we start a whole new phase. Until then, we hold on, because I believe.
RayRen played I Believe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DYrqOUKLtA
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